Advanced geometry of Islamic art »
Posted By _kam0_ 1 year, 9 months ago in Arts & EntertainmentA study of medieval Islamic art has shown some of its geometric patterns use principles established centuries later by modern mathematicians.
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2Labs1 year, 9 months ago
What defines this art as Islamic as opposed to Middle Eastern? Is there some religious significance to it?
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 9 months ago
lack of representation of form which would be considered idolotry. Middle Easter forms too broad a bed, both in space and time, but Islamic focuses it to non-representational art.
Remember the recent flack over Danish cartoons showing Mohammed? That is it's extreme end...and at the same time an almost complete reverse idolotry for the image is so holy that even to create such leaves the ommission of the idol the idol worshiped.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
ConquerorWyrm
Art and cartoon of the prophet of Islam are not the same they are two different things, we do not have an image of Muhammad so we don't accept photo image or cartoon as Muhammed, the Christians have accepted the image of Christ in white man's image but that is not the image of the Christ, Christian world practices a rare sickness falsely produce images of people and make everything white, Pope is white. Mary is white, Jesus is white and God is white, when they are not white, and also changing names Eso to Jesus, Soul to Paul, Petrose to Peter, Muhammed to beloved, you find this name in the Bible in different meanings, nobody in the world call somebody by its meaning except Christians and perhaps Jews as well, continues
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sahtoot1 year, 9 months ago
lets not forget the anicent egyptians were a huge part of invention of calculus and geometry. People to this still do not know how the egyptians created the pyramids especially with the type of technology back thousands of years ago.
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2Labs1 year, 8 months ago
Thanks for your response. When dealing with the subject of religion it is easy to be seen as anti this or that so let me preface this question with, "I'm trying to be objective here".
What is it about Islam that gives the religion credit for this as opposed to the it being a coincidence or giving credit to people from that part of the world or that period of time?
For example, It can be easliy argued that Christianity in the early years actually put a damper on science, because scientific findings often didn't square with the churches teachings. There is a direct connection there. Where is the connection between Islam and the developement of these complex equations? What is it about the religion of Islam that inspired this?
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LABELDUDE1 year, 9 months ago
"The research shows an important breakthrough had occurred in Islamic mathematics and design by 1200."
I'd put my money on these folks having figured out the math. They were just 800 years ahead of Harvard. We might still have the benefit of their knowledge if the Barbarian Christians hadn't rampaged through the place killing, raping and pillaging for over 200 years.
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SultanME1 year, 9 months ago
We never took over anything. Just to give you a simple example, Omar, one of the Prophets Companions and a Khaliph of all Islam, when it was time for noon prayers would not enter the Holy Church in Jerusalem but prefered to pray right outside on the steps of that church. When asked why he didnt simply enter the Church he said: "I don't want future Muslims to say that Omar entered the Church to pray and hence it is OUR (muslims) Church and hence should be converted to a Mosque'.
This is just ONE example of many. You people need to start reading real history of Islam and not just follow the media nor the Chrisitan Missionaries misinformation about Islam.
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berbles1 year, 9 months ago
That sounds like an endorsement of the Crusades.
After the fall of the Roman Empire, Israel went back to the Middle Easterners (turks, arabs, etc...) that originally inhabited it, therefore, the Muslims never took over the Holy sites. And furthermore, when the Crusades happened Jews and Muslims stood up together to fight off the Christian invaders. The Christians want to dominate Israel to make it part of the Pope's Empire.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
kwsoonerdoc1
I thin you should stop your stereotype and look for truth,
Despite international agreements, Israeli authorities have over the years used home demolitions, settlement building, land confiscation, withholding of building permits, and daily humiliations, all designed to change the religious character of the city.
Historically, periods of religious tolerance brought by Muslim rule witnessed an increase in Jewish population in Jerusalem. The first followed the Muslim conquest of the city in the 7th century, the second came after the Muslim recapture of the city from Crusaders in 1187 and the third period came after the occupation of the city by the Ottoman Turks in 1516. Muslims are proud of the story of the Caliph Umar who received the keys to Jerusalem from the Christian patriarch Sophronius in the 7th century. When the Caliph was asked to pray in a Jerusalem church, he refused saying he did not to want provide a pretext for Muslims to appropriate a Christian holy site.
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NotVulgarName1 year, 9 months ago
"the beheadings, stonings, honor killings or acts of terror"? you must have been invited to the same party I was invited to by these people.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
Zeitgeist
Some of the laws you mentioned here apply to Judaism and Christianity, you have discarded the laws God and embraced secular laws, and now your God is secular, please educate yourself. There is a documentary movie called Empire of Faith, we did not produced that movie, it's produced by your own people. You are one of the kinds Jesus said to someone that ("I have many things to say unto you but you cannot bear them now......")
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somecommonsense1 year, 9 months ago
what a ridiculous response to this article...it's gotta be black or white with people these days...the lack of understanding and open-mindedness is at an all time low in my opinion...its so sad, I read all these threads and regardless of the topic at hand they all devolve to the same base level, especially when ANY reference is made to religion, ANY religion, it's funny to read some of these posts, you forget what the article was even about
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
What did you do with your nukes and rockets, were you making love to the Japanese, and now what do you do with them in Iraq Afghanistan and Palestine,what did you do with the native Indians and Aborigines, are they still there?
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NotVulgarName1 year, 9 months ago
It was a worthy enough response to the drivel you post on a regular basis. I didn't deem it worthy of more.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
NotVulgarName
In the recent history of hundred years America had waged more than twenty wars and killed millions of people by using various kinds of weapons and methods, some of the civilized men are on trial for kidnapping European citizens in Europe, not mention torture, rape, secret prisons and many more barbaric act are committed by the so called super thug.
U.S. soldier says he has no answer for why he gang-raped and murdered Iraqi girl Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, 24, acted with three other soldiers to also kill girl's family Cortez was imprisoned and given dishonorable discharge
Witnesses said acts were out of character; prosecution said that was no excuse, just the tip of the ice berg.
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quiescence1 year, 9 months ago
I took this article to be a commentary on the innate human capacity to recognize the same beauty of form and structure that can be seen through mathematical analysis.
Not sure why the anti-islam crowd feels the need to use this thread to sound their mindless political rantings. I had thought this thread was about art.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
quiescence
These are ignorant and devilish crowd that accepts nothing but their own world of knowledge, if they just make a trip to Europe and paris Museum they will be able to see the contribution Islam had given to them, when the Muslim Spain was th most advanced country at that time the other European countries were living in darkness, surrounded by ignorance and backwardness.
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berbles1 year, 9 months ago
I'd say some of the most unique art comes out of the Middle East. Since the large Islamic population do not believe in depicting people in art, they found a creative way to create beautiful work.
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season1 year, 9 months ago
2Labs, this is not to be condescending so please don't take my comments that way. Uzbekistan is the country where Mr. Lu became interested in Islamic art. Uzb was under Russian control from sometime in the 18th century until 1991. Islam is not exclusively a Middle Eastern religion and is spread throughout the world. Islamic art is very beautiful and complex. So is the art at the Sistine Chapel. Art in general integrates mathematics (not necessarily arithmetic but concepts like translations, rotations, dilations, and so on...)
To NotVulgar & shatoot & the rest of you who are commenting in the same vein: Please stop condemning an entire religion because a small segment are insane radicals. Do you condemn Christianity for the recent revelations of priests molesting children? Or for the actions of the television evangelists? Bet you don't. And please don't argue that being molested is not as bad as being killed. Neither are acceptable.
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NotVulgarName1 year, 9 months ago
I don't defend Christianity or any other religion for the heinous actions performed in the name of their supreme being. Molestings of children is perhaps a far worse act than even murder. However, islam is evil and that is a simple truth that I have experienced and am unlikely to change my mind about after all that I have seen.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
NotVulgarName
Anything that is evil will not last long but Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, speak to those who converted to Islam, they are better than the born Muslims, you need to enhance your archaic knowledge which comes from malicious sources with poison pen and printing machines.
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NotVulgarName1 year, 9 months ago
off course it is the fastest growing religion. They procreate faster than rabbits without regard to the consequences to this planet. They force and intimidate anyone who doesn't agree with them into submission into their beliefs. My "archaic" knowledge comes from personal experience, I don't believe in falling for everything that I read, whether by the poison pen or a printing machine. If that was true, perhaps I would have been the sucker to believe what all you defenders of slam have to say instead of what I have experienced.
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NotVulgarName1 year, 9 months ago
Koran 21:11
How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their inequities, setting up in their place other peoples
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
Those who call themselves independent are the worst creature that has no protection from God, that is guided by Satan which whispers in the ear and if that seeks refuge in God the Satan withdraws or he will take him to hell that is where Satan and his followers are going to spend their life in the hereafter.
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kobzikov1 year, 9 months ago
"It doesn't matter whether you're selling Jesus or Buddha or civil rights or 'How to Make Money in Real Estate With No Money Down.' That doesn't make you a human being; it makes you a marketing rep. If you want to talk to somebody honestly, as a human being, ask him about his kids. Find out what his dreams are - just to find out, for no other reason. Because as soon as you lay your hands on a conversation to steer it, it's not a conversation anymore; it's a pitch. And you're not a human being; you're a marketing rep."
--Phil Cooper from 'The Big Kahuna'
Stein,
preaching intolerance of other's beliefs doesn't make you or your beliefs any better. So before doing that why don't you consider how you'd feel about someone pushing their beliefs on you?
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Masreyya1 year, 9 months ago
kwsoonerdoc1
the crusades were not started to protect christianity from islam... the crusades were a lame excuse to enter the middle east and exploit its riches. at that time, the middle east was the largest market, and of course it would be easier to come & steel the goods instead of buying them. that's what the crusades were about.
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NotVulgarName1 year, 9 months ago
If we were "friends" and had a conversation over a beer, perhaps we could get into that discussion. This is not a medium that I care to discuss that level of my experiences.
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Masreyya1 year, 9 months ago
sahtoot
what are you talking about? "the only "art" in islam is their "glorious" and "righteous" killings." where in the world did you get that from? what killings?
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nostalgia1 year, 9 months ago
The art is beautiful!
I thought that depicting Muhammad was not always banned?
A picture of the prophet seated with his companions appears in
Bal'ami's Persian Version of Tabari's Universal History, from the 14th century. Another image - this one of the birth of the prophet - is found in one of the great achievements of the Islamic book, the Jami' al-tavarikh (Compendium of Chronicles), produced at Tabriz in Iran around 1314. This painting is done in ink, color, and gold. There are other examples
Can anyone tell me if pictures of Muhammad were banned at a certain point in time?
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Masreyya1 year, 9 months ago
depicting Muhammad has always been banned. so these pictures are either not original, or the comments were wrongfully translated.
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nostalgia1 year, 9 months ago
Masreyya
Thank you for the reply.
I just looked at another online site and there are many pictures of Muhammad
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
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Nowalive1 year, 9 months ago
Why is this even a discussion of religion? Good art is good art..... from ANY area of the world. I personally like Asian art, but that's just me. Stop turning every thread into Islam vs Christianity. Art, in and of itself, is NOT religious. There are religious depictions, but art is ALL ABOUT the soul of the ARTIST!!!
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IcCaRus1 year, 9 months ago
agreed, some people will politicize ANYTHING. the art is beautiful, and thats all that should matter.
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NotVulgarName1 year, 8 months ago
I agree with Art being the soul of the ARTIST.. however, if you can't see a soul, how can you see whether is created ART.
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